2020 Release

[ClutchMaster]

Did Yamaha just post a pic of a 2020 SR Viper M-TX 153 on their facebook page? This color scheme looks just like the 2019 Sidewinder L-TX SE and X-TX SE. I don't see this color listed in current 2019 available sleds for a SR Viper so it must be a 2020. Looks very sharp!

Also, note the graphic on the hood. Usually it says Genesis 4 Stroke. This one says Triple Cylinder. Could this be a 2-stroke.....Hmmmmm????
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If it won’t blow up on Reservation gas I’m in!

 

[rtx moose]

6 more weeks till launch

 

[clarkman]

All you guys talking bout how great the old triples sounded but nobody brings up the old vmax 4. Nothing sounded better than one of those with a set of cans. My dad still trail rides his 93. I bought a 96 left over new and built my own cans. No triple could compare to that sound.

 

[T-Bone]

I think way to many have forgot how pathetic the old 2 smokes are. Oh the dream of another great 2 stoke. Blah blah blah. I will stick to my ultra reliable 4 stroke Nytro.

i think what is pathetic is that people can't see the benefits of both 2-strokes and 4-strokes and that if you are in one camp, that the others the other camp must just be really stupid for liking the other. It goes both ways too with 4-strokers usually crowing about reliability. My experience with my buddies is that both have been reliable for us. They are just different experiences. Choose what you like and enjoy both. The greatest endurance sled race is the Iron Dog and a 4-stroke has never won the race. I don't know about Cains Quest race but my guess is that a 4-stroke never won that race too. That doesn't make a 4-stroke unreliable just like it doesn't make a 2-stroke reliable. Just sayin.

 

[jjmoneysauce]

i think what is pathetic is that people can't see the benefits of both 2-strokes and 4-strokes and that if you are in one camp, that the others the other camp must just be really stupid for liking the other. It goes both ways too with 4-strokers usually crowing about reliability. My experience with my buddies is that both have been reliable for us. They are just different experiences. Choose what you like and enjoy both. The greatest endurance sled race is the Iron Dog and a 4-stroke has never won the race. I don't know about Cains Quest race but my guess is that a 4-stroke never won that race too. That doesn't make a 4-stroke unreliable just like it doesn't make a 2-stroke reliable. Just sayin.

Yeah the dick swinging is everywhere all the time every day. 2 vs 4. Brand vs brand. Model vs model. Tweak vs tweak. The ultimate this the ultimate that. I have the best thing, your thing is garbage. Denying perception and rationalizing the superiority of another perception. Ego trips in the form of sleds. Guy asks legit questions and it devolves into peeing contests. It is kind of pointless. Guys like what they like. I like what I like. Get out there and have fun and compare notes. Trade sleds and try others. Enjoy the sport any way you can. Do the best you can. I don’t try and make arguments with guys that have a raging throbbing boner for their Polaris or whatever anymore. It’s their responsibility, they bought it. I guess it’s something to talk about but boy the rigamarole of the dick swinging gets old.

 

[Sasquatch]

3 cylinder 4 stroke compared to a 3 cylinder two smoke of comparable size, it’s not even debatable. The 4 stroke is much heavier.

And the twin is lighter still narrower and sits lower. To get the power from the triple it needs triple pipes . You think it is not debatable but a 900 triple to compete with the Doo 850 is much much heavier. It would sound awesome. The 700 SX single pipe was a 570 plus wet weight sled it made the same hp as the Cat 600, So it needs triple pipes to make 135 and would weigh even more. Yes the four stroke is heavier.

Torque is an measurement of force at a particular rpm.
Horsepower is the amount of work done.
You can manufacture torque through gearing.

HP again is a number created by torque at whatever RPM you want the work to be done at. You can design the motor to maximize torque at that RPM. You did say torque is pointless HP is King.

If you have a sled that has 30 more horsepower than another, but they have the same acceleration/top speed, your not geared/clutched properly.

If the motor are the same and one has 30 more hp it could either have more torque same RPM (Think Turbo) or more RPM same torque (think gear reducer like apex)
Theres definitely snow deprivation issues going on here.

Lots of snow here.
Totally agree^^^^just make three pipes then.
Dam they sound good!

Sure I think triples sound sweet and fours even better, a Vmax gives me wood, so if point is sweet sound and not top performance and handling add lots of cylinders. Its why I like the Apex, more then willing to trade performance and handling compared to the SW just to have that motor, If its performance and competition against the Doo the twin is much lighter and able to be mounted lower. So if its about a 2020 two stroke to compete against Doo, a twin has advantages that cant be ignored.

 

[blueironranger]

The most foreseeable sled that I can think of for 2020 would be a viper in sidewinder plastics and 998 N/A.

I think that's the easiest guess, but is it still the Viper or do they use the Venom name they renewed a year or two ago? And I wonder what power level they release it at since the YXZ is ~110 and the Wildcat ~125. I guess it really depends if there are a few new models to fill HP gaps or if they still have a decent stockpile of 1049's around. My lineup would be the new 847 twin out of the wolvy (70-90hp), 998na (110-12ohp), 847T (150+hp "everywhere") and the 998T (~180+hp "everywhere"). Both 847 engines would be direct competitors to the Ace 900 sleds.

 

[blueironranger]

i think what is pathetic is that people can't see the benefits of both 2-strokes and 4-strokes and that if you are in one camp, that the others the other camp must just be really stupid for liking the other. It goes both ways too with 4-strokers usually crowing about reliability. My experience with my buddies is that both have been reliable for us. They are just different experiences. Choose what you like and enjoy both. The greatest endurance sled race is the Iron Dog and a 4-stroke has never won the race. I don't know about Cains Quest race but my guess is that a 4-stroke never won that race too. That doesn't make a 4-stroke unreliable just like it doesn't make a 2-stroke reliable. Just sayin.

No doubt, BOTH have advantages. The new 2 strokes stretch the HP a bit too far and use so little oil its amazing they last as long as they do, cranking up the oil helps them run a lot longer. I'd really like to see someone build 2 stroke with an oil filled crank case and positive displacement low boost supercharger. A small low pressure oil pump would be all that's needed since you would only need oil to the crank and pins and the supercharger would provide the positive pressure to allow the 2 stroke part to work. Totally eliminates burning oil and could make a 600 out perform an 800 with only 3-4psi boost.

 

[Stormbringer]

A lot of guys spend time discussing 3 pounds here, 4 pounds there when comparing the weight of their sleds. They also spend a lot of money buying after market parts to reduce weight. But then you see them at the bar drinking a pitcher of beer and eating a whole pizza! If you really want to reduce weight take Xlax or get on a treadmill! LOL

 

[03RX1-ER-LE]

I was having this talk with a guy at work the other day. Why is it that every major winter storm that rolls through Minnesota, Minneapolis is ALWAYS the cut off? Think about that. Either it goes north or it goes south almost every time. I truly believe that Minneapolis is the cause of that. Call me crazy but that's the trend I'm seeing. I believe in global warming 100%. There is too much proof out there that says it. Now the question is, is it human caused? That's the part we don't know for sure. I used to be able to ride right from my house almost every weekend for at least a good month every winter. In the last 5-6 years I have ridden from my house ONCE! There is a change happening that's for sure. I'm at the point now where I'm calling this normal winter and that's sad.

Keep in mind the world has been warming for thousands of years. At one time it was all covered in ice and then started warming and thawed out, and warming and warming etc.........

 

[Deeppow16]

i think what is pathetic is that people can't see the benefits of both 2-strokes and 4-strokes and that if you are in one camp, that the others the other camp must just be really stupid for liking the other. It goes both ways too with 4-strokers usually crowing about reliability. My experience with my buddies is that both have been reliable for us. They are just different experiences. Choose what you like and enjoy both. The greatest endurance sled race is the Iron Dog and a 4-stroke has never won the race. I don't know about Cains Quest race but my guess is that a 4-stroke never won that race too. That doesn't make a 4-stroke unreliable just like it doesn't make a 2-stroke reliable. Just sayin.

Amen to that!!! Both types of engines have there place. I have ridden both and really enjoyed both. For me it comes down to what type of riding you like and whats the best sled for you for that riding type. Example, I ride the mountains and a 4 stroke was just too much for me to throw around in the trees so now I'm on a 2 stroke which fits my needs much better. No way I'm saying 4 strokes suck its just not for me. Now if I was a guy that rode trails all the time then I would for sure own a 4 stroke.

 

[Deeppow16]

Keep in mind the world has been warming for thousands of years. At one time it was all covered in ice and then started warming and thawed out, and warming and warming etc.........

Yes it has but in the last 100 years it as sped up extremely fast. Why is that? Whats causing that?

 

[03RX1-ER-LE]

I went away for a weekend & BANG!
My TY friends pushed us over the 100 page mark.
I like triple digit #'s. They make me happy.
Of course i was riding incredible trails & conditions while you people were speculating & guessing, but i'm proud of my TY brothers.

Now i know a 2-stroke isn't what some want, but it will help ALL Yammi sleds across the board.
Bigger market means more R&D which will help the chassis department that the 4-strokes get put into.

What is the most pages a thread has gotten in one year?

Crap, I go to the UP to ride for three days and bam, 100 pages!
Well at least I got to put 464.8 miles on the XTX to break it in. 1240 miles on it now......

 

[03RX1-ER-LE]

Absolutely, they have been pumping up sleds like that for years. Haven’t read that garbage in many moons.

As well as the car magazines. Who wrote the biggest check.....

 

[03RX1-ER-LE]

Yamaha made it work the best though with the 700 SX Viper with the staggered compression and the ignition. That allowed the odd exhaust wave to come into the single pipe at a different frequency.

Loved my 2003 SX Viper ER.......Would I go back, NO Love my Apex 100x more!