Getting rid of the roll over valve

[KnappAttack]

A REAL PROVEN rollover system looks smarter and less headaches every day I look at this thread. Wonder what else will go wrong with the plumbing job you guys added to your $15000+ sleds.

Because changing from a heater hose to a hose designed for oil is so tough? LOL!

The issue is a bunch of people jumped to conclusions that the end was freezing when in actuality, the hose not designed for oil was to blame as it weeped oil thru it. OMG, big deal! Hardly a headache. Looks like the failure is just the wrong type of hose and not the actual design.

The simple hose is really a lot easier than valves, tethers, buttons wiring and a whatever else is involved with complicated install of that high dollar system that we don't need or want, and some of us just don't want the oily moisture laden goo in the intake or intercooler anyway.

Get over yourself and quit worrying about what we do with the Winders vent system!

For the guys that want that complicated expensive system have at it.

For the guys that want simple, it doesn't get much easier than this, just use a hose that won't break down with petroleum.

 

[GlennM]

Because changing from a heater hose to a hose designed for oil is so tough? LOL!

The issue is a bunch of people jumped to conclusions that the end was freezing when in actuality, the hose not designed for oil was to blame as it weeped oil thru it. OMG, big deal! Hardly a headache. Looks like the failure is just the wrong type of hose and not the actual design.

The simple hose is really a lot easier than valves, tethers, buttons wiring and a whatever else is involved with complicated install of that high dollar system that we don't need or want, and some of us just don't want the oily moisture laden goo in the intake or intercooler anyway.

Get over yourself and quit worrying about what we do with the Winders vent system!

For the guys that want that complicated expensive system have at it.

For the guys that want simple, it doesn't get much easier than this, just use a hose that won't break down with petroleum.

Take a breather man... no use in blowin a fuse!

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[Shagnos]

Because changing from a heater hose to a hose designed for oil is so tough? LOL!

The issue is a bunch of people jumped to conclusions that the end was freezing when in actuality, the hose not designed for oil was to blame as it weeped oil thru it. OMG, big deal! Hardly a headache. Looks like the failure is just the wrong type of hose and not the actual design.

The simple hose is really a lot easier than valves, tethers, buttons wiring and a whatever else is involved with complicated install of that high dollar system that we don't need or want, and some of us just don't want the oily moisture laden goo in the intake or intercooler anyway.

Get over yourself and quit worrying about what we do with the Winders vent system!

For the guys that want that complicated expensive system have at it.

For the guys that want simple, it doesn't get much easier than this, just use a hose that won't break down with petroleum.

2.5 quarts in 30 miles sho ain't "weeping" LOL It froze solid.

 

[XP123]

2.5 quarts in 30 miles sho ain't "weeping" LOL It froze solid.

You went back to stock shag? I would suggest anybody who still has the valve to pull the hose before the valve and make sure it isn't froze on really cold mornings. Just stick a screw driver in there and push the valve open a few times to make sure it's not froze. Once it warms up there should be no more issues until it sits over night again.

 

[XP123]

weird....

Just decided to check mine, and its got a light coat on it like Mikes..

I dont get it....I check it every day and its dry, and now Mike posts this and I go look at mine and it looks like its wet. Not leaking but wet look....

Its like it must take certain amt of time.

Looks like I need some made for fuel/oil.

Dan

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Why do you think there is so much oil going through the hose? Do you think this system needs a little back pressure to keep too much oil from blowing out?

I really hate this design and Yamacat needs to come out with something better than what they give us.

 

[KnappAttack]

2.5 quarts in 30 miles sho ain't "weeping" LOL It froze solid.

Right, in your case the oil went right past the oil tank seal perhaps. Same type of scenario that is happened to many using the stock system, so no matter what you have for venting, Stock system or the hose, you run the risk of freeze up.

I’ll take the risk on the hose myself, at least I can see the vapor coming out of there that it is not frozen. And in thousands of miles of riding for me between the skidoo and now the Yamaha. I’ve never had the hose freeze ever.

 

[Shagnos]

You went back to stock shag? I would suggest anybody who still has the valve to pull the hose before the valve and make sure it isn't froze on really cold mornings. Just stick a screw driver in there and push the valve open a few times to make sure it's not froze. Once it warms up there should be no more issues until it sits over night again.

Yep and no more problems or leaks. I am going to add some UV dye to the oil so I can pinpoint the slightest seep or leak. Makes the oil
look like bright yellow paint with my dye light system.

 

[ROCKERDAN]

Why do you think there is so much oil going through the hose? Do you think this system needs a little back pressure to keep too much oil from blowing out?

I really hate this design and Yamacat needs to come out with something better than what they give us.

Joe, the coolant hose breaks down with TIME from oil/fuel. Had a good talk with a smart fella at a reputable auto parts store.....Told him about what happened and he told me before I could finish, coolant line will break down in time from fuel/oil or any petroleum product.

So he said he will order me 4 feet of fuel line, its a neoprene material. I asked about heat and he said it will do fine. But I will withhold judgement on that til I have it in my hand. I want to feel it.

Looking at stock sled.....grab the original oil tank to ROV hose....its heavy duty(made for heat). Now grab the smaller oil line from ROV to Intake, its a much less substantial material. Both obviously work with petroleum products but one is alot tougher. Im hoping the stuff he ordered me is the tougher stuff like origin piece from tank to ROV. If not I will order the better stuff.

While its hot there, I dont think its hot enough to melt any rubber type hoses(except vinyl) as long as you are an inch or more away from shield. The shield is not hot like the muffler/header itself. Its thin. But will see how it goes when the 10 dollar hose arrives.

By far cheapest mod for ROV issue and keeps the crud out of turbo. The weird thing is I looked at the original 3/8 line I had when I did the first TEE design(when i was riding next day in minus 30) and needed a quick fix. And that orig 3/8 line I had bought says fuel line on side...lol Got the new 1/2" line from same bin in store, and did not even notice diff in feel.....but saw it said coolant after installed, and thought to myself, " I wonder if this is OK for oil".....grrrr


Dan

 

[Shagnos]

Right, in your case the oil went right past the oil tank seal perhaps. Same type of scenario that is happened to many using the stock system, so no matter what you have for venting, Stock system or the hose, you run the risk of freeze up.

I’ll take the risk on the hose myself, at least I can see the vapor coming out of there that it is not frozen. And in thousands of miles of riding for me between the skidoo and now the Yamaha. I’ve never had the hose freeze ever.

Sounds like both systems have their problems, poor design and a band aid. 3000 miles stock with never a problem and less than 60 miles total had a big problem. I'm glad it is working out for some people.

 

[Shagnos]

Joe, the coolant hose breaks down with TIME from oil/fuel. Had a good talk with a smart fella at a reputable auto parts store.....
Dan

I sho hope it wasn't AutoZone....

 

[ROCKERDAN]

I sho hope it wasn't AutoZone....

LOL, thats why i wrote what I wrote....Im not down in NY at a big box auto parts. Up here most of these guys are lifetime wrenchers.

Not sure why anyone would want to run stock setup....turbo likely seize up in offseason with the amt of vapors these push. To stuff all that crap into my turbo would be asking for expensive trouble. No thanks. Im glad this thread was brought up by Mike because we would all have this crud in our turbo and intakes and likely find out hard way down the road.

thanks Mike!

 

[theewarrior]

Joe, the coolant hose breaks down with TIME from oil/fuel. Had a good talk with a smart fella at a reputable auto parts store.....Told him about what happened and he told me before I could finish, coolant line will break down in time from fuel/oil or any petroleum product.

So he said he will order me 4 feet of fuel line, its a neoprene material. I asked about heat and he said it will do fine. But I will withhold judgement on that til I have it in my hand. I want to feel it.

Looking at stock sled.....grab the original oil tank to ROV hose....its heavy duty(made for heat). Now grab the smaller oil line from ROV to Intake, its a much less substantial material. Both obviously work with petroleum products but one is alot tougher. Im hoping the stuff he ordered me is the tougher stuff like origin piece from tank to ROV. If not I will order the better stuff.

While its hot there, I dont think its hot enough to melt any rubber type hoses(except vinyl) as long as you are an inch or more away from shield. The shield is not hot like the muffler/header itself. Its thin. But will see how it goes when the 10 dollar hose arrives.

By far cheapest mod for ROV issue and keeps the crud out of turbo. The weird thing is I looked at the original 3/8 line I had when I did the first TEE design(when i was riding next day in minus 30) and needed a quick fix. And that orig 3/8 line I had bought says fuel line on side...lol Got the new 1/2" line from same bin in store, and did not even notice diff in feel.....but saw it said coolant after installed, and thought to myself, " I wonder if this is OK for oil".....grrrr


Dan

Your original 3/8 hose system actually worked fine right?that shows that 3/8 line fuel line is plenty big

 

[XP123]

OK I just got back from NAPA and I bought some 5/8 Gates fuel line. I really like it because it's very flexible yet it's reinforced like the heater hose. It's rated 35 psi and I'm sure you wouldn't need anything stronger. The problem I think if you get into higher pressure hoses is they won't be very flexible. This is my absolute last time I'm screwing with this dumb azz mod. My next step is back to stock because my wife thinks I lost my mind buying these friggin hoses and crap. I feel like I'm a Cat engineer now!

 

[POWERHAULIC]

My 6"long drip leg is working fine.

 

[XP123]

My 6"long drip leg is working fine.

What did you do? Did you put a T where the valve was and then a drip leg off that? Then you are not using the valve and catching all the crap in the drip leg.