Relax! Yamaha is not lying Down.

[cannondale27]

Weight is a big deal for me. I'm a back country rider and when I'm going across a steep slope I need the most control I can have. You will have more control on a lighter sled. I get myself in some spots where either you make it or your sled is totaled. I have first hand experience as I had a nytro MTX that had everything done MOD wise besides a turbo. As I became a better rider I realized that I needed a lighter sled to do what I want and feel comfortable doing it. Now that I'm back on a 2 stroke my skill level has grown even more. I will say this though, If I was a trail rider then I would own a 4 stroke. I see my sled as a tool and they always say to use the right tool for the job. Well what I do requires me to be on a light 2 stroke because its the best tool for the job.

Perfectly said.

 

[rtx moose]

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I love posts like "theCATman's". He hasn't even ridden a ProCross chassis sled and posts about the so called negatives that he's read on the interweb. I'm glad that he'll never walk home with the bulletproof DB chassis that's never had any reliability issues. Oh wait....W-arms breaking on the skid, exhaust donuts wearing out, frozen starter relays, less than easy oil filter maintenance.... It's great that you've had good luck so far with your sleds.

I had a great run with two Apex's in the family for over 10 years, and by keeping up with the proper yearly maintenance they proved to be two of the best sleds we've ever owned. But to write off the ProCross sleds because of the problems that you've read about....well you're not doing yourself any favors.

We've currently got a '17 and '18 SW that have replaced our beloved Apex's and couldn't be happier. Time's change. Yamaha has moved forwards with what they offer for sleds. There's a reason that the DB sleds aren't in their line up since 2018. We have not had any of the issues that others have reported regarding upper gear & bushing problems, belt blowing, etc. Both sleds are stock, and having a good dealer goes a long way.

I've been on some rides with one of my former Apex's and would never go back to that platform. The ProCross sled enables me at a young 64 yrs. old to end the days ride without swallowing a handful of pain relievers and I actually look forwards to the next days ride, regardless of the trail conditions.

These are snowmobiles that we ride, and are used in the most brutal conditions of any motorized vehicle known to man. Every sled is going to have some issues. Be happy with what you ride, but don't believe everything that you read about problems with the SW's or Vipers. Talk to a dealer and get the real skinny from the service manager to find out what percentage of sleds actually have the problems that you've read about.

The "unholy alliance" between AC and Yamaha was a bitter pill for many of us longtime Yamaha fans to swallow, especially when it was first announced back in 2013, but it's kept them both in the game, and has resulted in some pretty nice sleds for both parties. I'd say the future of both companies is looking a lot better now than a few years ago regarding their snowmobile divisions.

End of rant, and happy trails!

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agree%100...i have 2 friends that own dealers and its vary rare to see any yamaha come in for repair they say

 

[biffdotorg]

PSST: https://ty4stroke.com/threads/tucker-hibbert.118553/#post-1494752

 

[cannondale27]

2 strokes are a trophy of the past my friend..there is some wicked 4s technology coming out just like the three cylinder 400hp nissan that weighs 88lbs!!!thats correct 400hp@88lbs..

https://www.engineering.com/Designe...ArticleID/7071/Nissans-40kg-400HP-Engine.aspx

Here is another solution. Looks like it would address power,weight and high cog.
http://www.supertraxmag.com/feature...JI4rBlxE4wiI8MQCtOh3SD2ksuzTnu3PcslDhLzjZ-nh4

 

[yamadoo]

Right tool for the job is PERFECT !

 

[pdiddy]

Perfectly said.

X2. There was a time I would climb trees with a sled if I thought I could get away with it. Now I ride alone alot and when I do have friends along they're in no shape to help get me out of a jam. Kids in college and the income stream needs to be protected at all costs! Staying on the trails with my 4-strokes and loving it.

 

[ClutchMaster]

Here is another solution. Looks like it would address power,weight and high cog.
http://www.supertraxmag.com/feature...JI4rBlxE4wiI8MQCtOh3SD2ksuzTnu3PcslDhLzjZ-nh4

Not so sure that it would be a huge weight savings but the power gains sound huge!
Along with the price I might add.

Reliability would be suspect, just one little electrical glitch and BOOM the valves hit the pistons.

It’s awsome that the tech is moving forward tho, but I’m afraid it probably won’t hit the snowmobiling market in my limited years left in the sport.

 

[biffdotorg]

Not so sure that it would be a huge weight savings but the power gains sound huge!
Along with the price I might add.

Reliability would be suspect, just one little electrical glitch and BOOM the valves hit the pistons.

It’s awsome that the tech is moving forward tho, but I’m afraid it probably won’t hit the snowmobiling market in my limited years left in the sport.

I think the assumption would be, if there were a power gain, the MFG could possibly go with a lower CC engine for similar power. And hopefully a boosted 500-700cc engine would weigh less than a 998cc.

The Nissan engine shown in the news lately was smaller than a motorcycle engine. I was blown away by that tech. It will filter down sooner or later.

 

[cannondale27]

I think the assumption would be, if there were a power gain, the MFG could possibly go with a lower CC engine for similar power. And hopefully a boosted 500-700cc engine would weigh less than a 998cc.

The Nissan engine shown in the news lately was smaller than a motorcycle engine. I was blown away by that tech. It will filter down sooner or later.

Imagine those two technologies in one engine!

 

[CooperT]

Well if you have not been paying attention to patents,yamaha has a supercharged engine thats going to hit the market and a new chassis...When is the question?????And they renewed the snosport trademark last year so you have that coming also(entry level sled?)...JUST THE FACTS!!!

We’re all holding you accountable!

 

[yamarider13]

Yep 20k miles. Dealer says guy was trying to set some world record for miles in season. Will get run down this week when I pick it up.

He must of fell short of the record. Nick Keller put 22,150 on his 2010 Vector in 60 days.

 

[whitedust1]

4s Rocks!!!!!

 

[stevewithOCD]

Weight is a big deal for me. I'm a back country rider and when I'm going across a steep slope I need the most control I can have. You will have more control on a lighter sled. I get myself in some spots where either you make it or your sled is totaled. I have first hand experience as I had a nytro MTX that had everything done MOD wise besides a turbo. As I became a better rider I realized that I needed a lighter sled to do what I want and feel comfortable doing it. Now that I'm back on a 2 stroke my skill level has grown even more. I will say this though, If I was a trail rider then I would own a 4 stroke. I see my sled as a tool and they always say to use the right tool for the job. Well what I do requires me to be on a light 2 stroke because its the best tool for the job.

Right tool for the job.
I like that!
About time an off trail guy admits that if he rode groomed trails, he'd own a 4-stroke
And if i rode off trail..................i'd own a 2-stroke

 

[ClutchMaster]

Right tool for the job.
I like that!
About time an off trail guy admits that if he rode groomed trails, he'd own a 4-stroke
And if i rode off trail..................i'd own a 2-stroke

Not me

 

[ClutchMaster]

TARZAN!!!!!

Who worries about weight when your sled can fly?