Did you guys see the new Cat Catalyst?

[hibshman25]

Why but a process chassis if it's going to end up in the matryx?

You have made multiple posts about this. What leads you to believe this?

 

[Crossfire12]

If Cat has it looking decent just think how good it will look if Yami gets their hands on it.

Hope not remember the shitty suspensions on the Apex and Nytro SRX, What did Yamaha do to the new sleds besides motor and clutches and some panels?

 

[74Nitro]

Hope not remember the shitty suspensions on the Apex and Nytro SRX, What did Yamaha do to the new sleds besides motor and clutches and some panels?

I was just talking about the panels and colours.

 

[WinderFab]

I was just talking about the panels and colours.

And graphics

 

[cannondale27]

You have made multiple posts about this. What leads you to believe this?

I believe he probably heard it on one of the shows. I think Snowtrax and Snowtech Magazine mentioned it. Probably just BS. I heard that Yamaha raised the prices of their motors to Cat and thats why they are limiting production of them. Polaris can just Turbo their own motor. I hate to say it since I miss the 4cyl and losing the 3cyl would be worse but a 2 cylinder just fits existing 2 stroke chassis. Now if Yamaha was smart they would make a 900cc Phazer motor with gear reduction and keep the 12000 rpm. But just dreaming!

 

[benjamingvsu]

The idea of picking up 12hp at the track would be phenomenal. Did it start that poorly clutched or is the belt drive, motor tweaks and other upgrades really putting this thing close to 80 ho at the track, and ahead of the Polaris 650?

 

[Thunder Products]

The idea of picking up 12hp at the track would be phenomenal. Did it start that poorly clutched or is the belt drive, motor tweaks and other upgrades really putting this thing close to 80 ho at the track, and ahead of the Polaris 650?

No, the sled was clutched pretty well with the weights and calibration they had (was the best they could do with their stuff). We proved to them that our weights work and also showed them how to make the clutches work together, not against each other.

Plus, the sled is 50+ lbs lighter, makes more power with a more stout bottom end and the belt drive has less rotating mass which also frees up hpr.

Put it this way, the 850 Doo and Poo can't pass the Catalyst. The Catalyst gets the holeshot and stays out in front the entire 1/4 mile.

 

[cannondale27]

No, the sled was clutched pretty well with the weights and calibration they had (was the best they could do with their stuff). We proved to them that our weights work and also showed them how to make the clutches work together, not against each other.

Plus, the sled is 50+ lbs lighter, makes more power with a more stout bottom end and the belt drive has less rotating mass which also frees up hpr.

Put it this way, the 850 Doo and Poo can't pass the Catalyst. The Catalyst gets the holeshot and stays out in front the entire 1/4 mile.

You trying to get me back on a 2st trail sled again

 

[NOS-PRO]

You trying to get me back on a 2st trail sled again

I'm getting one...never thought I would be on a 2 stroke again

 

[STAIN]

Put it this way, the 850 Doo and Poo can't pass the Catalyst. The Catalyst gets the holeshot and stays out in front the entire 1/4 mile.

Is this with their clutching or your clutching?
Did they change what the factory sled is going to get for clutching after these tests?
Are they using a different weight after these tests?
Are YOU guys providing any parts for the production sleds?

 

[cannondale27]

I'm getting one...never thought I would be on a 2 stroke again

Well I have owned a 2 st the last 4 years as a second sled with limited use. Definitely fun. Think about it often since it sure opens up possibilities. Are you getting a Mtn sled or a trail sled. Why didnt they give the race teams Catalyst's? Sure would have liked to see them in XC as a testing ground like they said they were.

 

[benjamingvsu]

I find it hard to believe this refreshed 600 in a new chassis is going to take down the 850s. No replacement for displacement. That said, it does look promising - hope Yamaha is trying to shoehorn in a 4stroke! And I agree; with such a prolonged public release some racing would have been a good idea. I also wonder if product development cycles at Doo are fast enough to adapt some of the new Cat technology. Polaris could certainly move their existing belt drive tech to the trail sleds easily.

 

[cannondale27]

I find it hard to believe this refreshed 600 in a new chassis is going to take down the 850s. No replacement for displacement. That said, it does look promising - hope Yamaha is trying to shoehorn in a 4stroke! And I agree; with such a prolonged public release some racing would have been a good idea. I also wonder if product development cycles at Doo are fast enough to adapt some of the new Cat technology. Polaris could certainly move their existing belt drive tech to the trail sleds easily.

I am assuming it’s a 800+ they are talking about. A 850 setup same as 600 will kill the 600 easy. Could also just be ice course testing. That doesn’t mean a damn thing for most of us.

 

[Upstater57]

No, the sled was clutched pretty well with the weights and calibration they had (was the best they could do with their stuff). We proved to them that our weights work and also showed them how to make the clutches work together, not against each other.

Plus, the sled is 50+ lbs lighter, makes more power with a more stout bottom end and the belt drive has less rotating mass which also frees up hpr.

Put it this way, the 850 Doo and Poo can't pass the Catalyst. The Catalyst gets the holeshot and stays out in front the entire 1/4 mile.

I wonder what motor was in the sled you tested. I cannot imagine a 120hp 600 beating the 850's in a drag race. Also, does the sled have electric start? Hard to imagine its 50lbs lighter and has electric start.

 

[Thunder Products]

Is this with their clutching or your clutching?
Did they change what the factory sled is going to get for clutching after these tests?
Are they using a different weight after these tests?
Are YOU guys providing any parts for the production sleds?

Answering your questions:
1 a little of both
2 yes
3 it will be a special weight
4 yes and will find out more this weekend

Well I have owned a 2 st the last 4 years as a second sled with limited use. Definitely fun. Think about it often since it sure opens up possibilities. Are you getting a Mtn sled or a trail sled. Why didnt they give the race teams Catalyst's? Sure would have liked to see them in XC as a testing ground like they said they were.

Trail sled, but will be selling it when the big engine will be available.

I find it hard to believe this refreshed 600 in a new chassis is going to take down the 850s. No replacement for displacement. That said, it does look promising - hope Yamaha is trying to shoehorn in a 4stroke! And I agree; with such a prolonged public release some racing would have been a good idea. I also wonder if product development cycles at Doo are fast enough to adapt some of the new Cat technology. Polaris could certainly move their existing belt drive tech to the trail sleds easily.

I am assuming it’s a 800+ they are talking about. A 850 setup same as 600 will kill the 600 easy. Could also just be ice course testing. That doesn’t mean a damn thing for most of us.

Believe it or not, but this is a 600 and makes way more horse than previous years. Add perfect clutching, lighter weight and a nimble "no bump steer" chassis and yes....it's beating 850's

Was not just ice testing but real world trail testing.

I wonder what motor was in the sled you tested. I cannot imagine a 120hp 600 beating the 850's in a drag race. Also, does the sled have electric start? Hard to imagine its 50lbs lighter and has electric start.

The new 600 engine. Makes way more hpr than before (trust me when I say Arctic Cat found power).
The one we dynoed did not have electric start. But it had the new Adapt clutch that has the mounting holes for it.

Would love to show you vids and pics, but I can't because of the legality bs. All I can say is the members here know I tell facts, not assumptions.


Result is..... Arctic Cat is doing everything to be back on top. This new 600 engine takes way more gram weight than I ever imagined, which shows it truly is making power. New engine, new lighter chassis, belt drive so less rotating mass, way better clutching and no bump steer.
The Catalyst has my vote!

Will be at Arctic Cat this week doing more testing!!! Stay tuned!