Yamaha Cutting Production for 2019

[Stubbs]

My EPS equipped Vectors use the larger 6005 bearings in all wheels, including the rear axle. I believe all the EPS sleds use the larger bearings, but I am not 100% sure.[/QUOT
This is correct with the exception of the CK skid in the Apex XTX.

 

[journeyman]

I am ALMOST 100% sure that is not how the mutual supply agreement was started. Good story though...

Stubby Hungwell?? OMG LoL!! Yeh your credible!

Well this story came from one of the Yamaha brass that was AT the funeral. Sorry you lose!

 

[journeyman]

Hey I gotta rip on Poos wherever I can.

I was so proud of my son when he one day said "waitaminute...Polarises are kinda like the Fords of sleds, aren't they?"

Yeh my dad liked the story I told him yesterday about the 2019 RMK 850 blowing up with 16 miles on it. He's 81 now but did get a big chuckle out of it. Dad was a die hard Yamaha guy for many years, his twin brother switched and went all Polaris so it became a big rival between the two of them. In the end his twin (my uncle) switched back to Yamaha and bought a couple 4 strokes before they both hung it up about 5 years ago.

 

[WillowAce]

So much talk about Yamaha this and Textron that lately, some of which is based in fact and a lot of which is based in drama queen antics and trolls stirring the pot. Why is Yamaha at the bottom of the sled market share stat? In my opinion there are two reasons; first, they committed to an all four stroke lineup trying to stay ahead of EPA regulations, second reason is the agreement with Arctic Cat. Lets talk about these separately. A majority of the snowmobiling market wants two stroke engines, period. Is that want based in fact, no. That fact is based in marketing efforts of the two market share leaders and what snowmobile writers comments were on the original four stroke offerings regarding weight and sluggish engines 15 years ago. Now the partnership with Arctic Cat. Arctic Cat had blown it's market leading position before the partnership because they were putting out products that lacked quality build. Let's not mix words here, they built machines that were known for not holding up due to, for a lack of a better word, crappy and cheap manufacturing. Now let's do a little math, an engine not being accepted by the market + a chassis that lacked quality and lost it's market share = a snowmobile with an engine that is not accepted by the market in a chassis that the majority of the market had given up on. Whoever thought that math would work out differently should hang their head in shame and exit the snowmobiling industry.

Fast forward to model year 2019. Contrary to popular BS what we have now are the two most highly capitalized companies in the snowmobiling industry scratching their heads saying what next. Will Textron sell AC to Yamaha? Will Yamaha sell their snow division to Textron? Does that make sense to anyone who actually thinks about the question? Who thinks the math would work out differently? So, lets remove AC from the Yamaha equation. Why did Yamaha turn to AC? Market share dropped effectively removing research capital from new chassis development, Yamaha did nothing to keep up with other manufacturers and needed CPR and the only company that was hurting as badly was AC. What came of the partnership, Yamaha dealers ended up with a lot of inventory they couldn't move, but still had to meet their contract numbers for units effectively stacking up inventory bought on floor plan and sucking them dry. Low sales + interest and holding costs = dealers that can't keep selling the products.

Will Yamaha close the snow division, doubtful in the short run. They have too much invested to walk away now. Plain fact is that Textron has an engine division that is very capable of powering AC sleds next year. Yamaha has a ton of money sunk in engine development and you can bet your arse just as much sunk in chassis development. The 2019 release is not a omen to company closing, but rather just a company adopting a retrenchment strategy. By choosing not to incorporate ACs next gen Pro-Cross chassis they message is clear, this partnership is not working. Rather than pushing more stale units on their dealers they chose to give them a chance to sell excess stock this year and get out of the hole their in. While this happens Yamaha will try to finish development of their very own chassis to possibly release in 2020. Don't hold your breath though, for this strategy to work in cannot be released until it is ready for the market and Japanese philosophy says not until perfect by our standards. The real question is this, will perfect by their standards be good enough to get the industry writers to jump up and down and give glowing reviews that change the current stigma. If the answer is yes we have Yamaha sleds in the long run. If not we all know that math as well.

 

[jjmoneysauce]

I would surly get an extended warranty

But even with that, who wants to suddenly lose a big chunk of their season when it calves? No Poo for me, thanks.

 

[Rtbo]

That will not happen because skidoo will not let the media tell the consumer that there is a better sled than theirs

 

[mikextx]

Yeh my dad liked the story I told him yesterday about the 2019 RMK 850 blowing up with 16 miles on it. He's 81 now but did get a big chuckle out of it. Dad was a die hard Yamaha guy for many years, his twin brother switched and went all Polaris so it became a big rival between the two of them. In the end his twin (my uncle) switched back to Yamaha and bought a couple 4 strokes before they both hung it up about 5 years ago.

man, if you only knew what i know. lol. theres alot of those disposables blown up everywhere. we only hear about a few, those poo boys dont like to tell yamaha guys that their bran new machine is blown up again. trust me, ive watched it for years. i honestly don know how polaris can cover all the warranty claims. i ride with poo guys. a 2012, 2014, 2016, and 2017, all 800s, all got new engines this year in a 2 month span. Thats insane

 

[mikextx]

Also on the Polaris note. I was searching the web, looking into the new poo 850 engine. The main Polaris sled forum is where I ended up. You guys would probably be "shocked" to see who runs that website. I guess I'm not the only one who misses the 2strokes

 

[Doc Harley]

Maybe you could save us from going over there.....

 

[mikextx]

Same guy runs this place. I was surprised to say the least.

 

[marc001]

Hey I gotta rip on Poos wherever I can.

I was so proud of my son when he one day said "waitaminute...Polarises are kinda like the Fords of sleds, aren't they?"

So your saying that Polaris holds up really well now!

 

[actionjack]

Did Arctic Cat release a next gen ProCross this year? IMO Cat and Yamaha will both exist in the sled business next year without Textron and both will release variants of the same next gen collaboration ProCross chassis with multiple horsepower offerings.

 

[74Nitro]

So much talk about Yamaha this and Textron that lately, some of which is based in fact and a lot of which is based in drama queen antics and trolls stirring the pot. Why is Yamaha at the bottom of the sled market share stat? In my opinion there are two reasons; first, they committed to an all four stroke lineup trying to stay ahead of EPA regulations, second reason is the agreement with Arctic Cat. Lets talk about these separately. A majority of the snowmobiling market wants two stroke engines, period. Is that want based in fact, no. That fact is based in marketing efforts of the two market share leaders and what snowmobile writers comments were on the original four stroke offerings regarding weight and sluggish engines 15 years ago. Now the partnership with Arctic Cat. Arctic Cat had blown it's market leading position before the partnership because they were putting out products that lacked quality build. Let's not mix words here, they built machines that were known for not holding up due to, for a lack of a better word, crappy and cheap manufacturing. Now let's do a little math, an engine not being accepted by the market + a chassis that lacked quality and lost it's market share = a snowmobile with an engine that is not accepted by the market in a chassis that the majority of the market had given up on. Whoever thought that math would work out differently should hang their head in shame and exit the snowmobiling industry.

Fast forward to model year 2019. Contrary to popular BS what we have now are the two most highly capitalized companies in the snowmobiling industry scratching their heads saying what next. Will Textron sell AC to Yamaha? Will Yamaha sell their snow division to Textron? Does that make sense to anyone who actually thinks about the question? Who thinks the math would work out differently? So, lets remove AC from the Yamaha equation. Why did Yamaha turn to AC? Market share dropped effectively removing research capital from new chassis development, Yamaha did nothing to keep up with other manufacturers and needed CPR and the only company that was hurting as badly was AC. What came of the partnership, Yamaha dealers ended up with a lot of inventory they couldn't move, but still had to meet their contract numbers for units effectively stacking up inventory bought on floor plan and sucking them dry. Low sales + interest and holding costs = dealers that can't keep selling the products.

Will Yamaha close the snow division, doubtful in the short run. They have too much invested to walk away now. Plain fact is that Textron has an engine division that is very capable of powering AC sleds next year. Yamaha has a ton of money sunk in engine development and you can bet your arse just as much sunk in chassis development. The 2019 release is not a omen to company closing, but rather just a company adopting a retrenchment strategy. By choosing not to incorporate ACs next gen Pro-Cross chassis they message is clear, this partnership is not working. Rather than pushing more stale units on their dealers they chose to give them a chance to sell excess stock this year and get out of the hole their in. While this happens Yamaha will try to finish development of their very own chassis to possibly release in 2020. Don't hold your breath though, for this strategy to work in cannot be released until it is ready for the market and Japanese philosophy says not until perfect by our standards. The real question is this, will perfect by their standards be good enough to get the industry writers to jump up and down and give glowing reviews that change the current stigma. If the answer is yes we have Yamaha sleds in the long run. If not we all know that math as well.

Well, Cat is now using the NA 998 triple to power the SxS, as well as the boosted version to come soon at 215hp, which obviously is the T-cat/Winder engine package.

 

[journeyman]

Same guy runs this place. I was surprised to say the least.

Never knew there was a Polaris forum, know of Dootalk and ArcticChat. Tom (MrSled) runs this site, he’s a Yamaha rider. I am friends with the guy that runs ArcticChat, lives in my town.

 

[ClutchMaster]

Same guy runs this place. I was surprised to say the least.

We need names! Can’t be Tom?