SRX vs Mach Z does this seem accurate ?

[Sledroll]

I had the chance to ride the Lynx this past weekend as my brother had it all day to ride on Friday. Certainly a nice machine....a wheelie monster for sure being able to lift at any point. For corners, it definitely required more body english to keep the ski's down. We set the rear suspension compression to full soft and it was still a harsher ride than I prefer. I'm sure the thing can soak up really big bumps though. The steering was super light, but I did not like how twitchy the steering was and constantly followed tracks and darted which drove me crazy. Overall would be a fun playful sled if that's what people are looking for.

The Cove in Mactier had the Lynx and Mach Z 850 out front today .
I only sat on them, didn't ride them .
In my opinion the seating position difference between the 2 is similar to the SW regular seat and mountain seat difference, but a little bit higher and firmer in both cases.
I should of taken a picture of my SW staring them down in the parking lot !

 

[cannondale27]

Don’t forget Yamaha engines get faster with miles. I still remember looking at the cutaways and seeing plastic gears and stamped sheet metal parts. Definitely not Yamaha quality but I do not recall hearing of any failures yet never looked. Also have never trusted their electronics. What about parts? 5 years or so many become unavailable from what I have seen.

 

[cannondale27]

I did not bother looking but remember when Sidewinder first came out there were many that could not beat 850 Doo. One guy in Particular was on here. How many stock Winders have never gone over 105? Seems to be quite common number. I have resisted Turbo for long time but looks like I need to give in soon. Would never tune it. Stock,quiet and still able to hit triple digits every ride is what I want for the big miles. Next year Viper will be replaced looking forward to trying all the new sleds.

 

[yamamarc]

I get a kick out of you guys bragging about winning a drag race against a naturally aspirated 2 stroke. Talk about small penis syndrome. Your stock Winders will not have a chance against the Mach end of story.

We will see Carl!
Stock for stock the mach z will be on top.. just think about it doo has been testing against a stock winder for at least one maybe 2 years and tweeking and focusing on beating a winder.
All yamaha would need to do is turn up the boost by a few lbs and it's game over.. that Mach will be staring at a 998's rear bumper...

How many 1000's $$$ have you spent on your 900t over the last few seasons just to try to keep up with a Winder?Lol
That sounds like a small penis issue to me...haha

Keep staring at your "button on a fur coat" with hopes it will get bigger ..lol


No one is bragging about beating a 2 stroke.. lol
I think we all know the winder with eat any 2 stroke at 1/2 throttle ...lol

 

[lakercr]

I get a kick out of you guys bragging about winning a drag race against a naturally aspirated 2 stroke. Talk about small penis syndrome. Your stock Winders will not have a chance against the Mach end of story.

Guys that care about racing don't leave their sleds stock, and anybody who is actually fast doesn't give a sh!t about how their sled lines up stock against the competition. The deck is stacked against the 900 motor. BRP has sharpened the knife, but you're still coming to a gun fight. With an internet connection, a GAP flasher, a few hundred dollars (and 48 seconds) there is nothing (short of spending several thousand dollars) that is going to make the new Mach run with a Winder, and even then, I don't like your chances.

 

[XP123]

I don't race anybody anymore. There was a time where me and my buds would spend hours racing back and forth on the lakes up in Muskoka and playing with clutching and jetting.
We never cared how a sled rode or handled because all that mattered was how fast it was.
Now I want a great riding handling sled that is rock solid reliable. I like the feel of instant response and hard acceleration and that's why these 4 strokes are so much fun to own. There is just something I really like about the power of a 4 stroke.
No doubt Yamaha and Rotax builds the best 4 stroke engines in the snowmo business.
My stock Winder was not as snappy down low as my 900 turbo but once going pulled much harder from mid to top end.
This new 900tr will be very interesting for sure. I think it will still be very responsive down low corner to corner and if it pulls as hard as my stock Winder from mid to top it will be perfect for what I want in a sled.
For all you guys who want to go 120 MPH I'm sure the Winder is by far the better choice if you want the ultimate speed machine.
I think the future of Yamaha is up in the air right now. Will Cat come out with a new chassis void of all the engineering issues they have now?
I know Cat knows how to build great riding and handling sleds but lack in quality and reliability. The Procross was developed without any input from Yamaha. Will the new chassis be developed with the help of Yamaha? The Procross is now 10 years old and in need of a facelift.

 

[NYTurbo]

The issue with making the Mach Z somewhat fast is the complexity of their ECU and all their safety features, throw all this new fang dangled electronic suspension on it and it's going to be a nightmare for hp increases at the beginning anyways.

 

[XP123]

The issue with making the Mach Z somewhat fast is the complexity of their ECU and all their safety features, throw all this new fang dangled electronic suspension on it and it's going to be a nightmare for hp increases at the beginning anyways.

The Doo engine will be difficult to get more HP than stock. Doo makes it very hard to mod them up. That's why I say the only chance they have against the Winder is stock for stock.

 

[jonlafon1]

I did not bother looking but remember when Sidewinder first came out there were many that could not beat 850 Doo. One guy in Particular was on here. How many stock Winders have never gone over 105? Seems to be quite common number. I have resisted Turbo for long time but looks like I need to give in soon. Would never tune it. Stock,quiet and still able to hit triple digits every ride is what I want for the big miles. Next year Viper will be replaced looking forward to trying all the new sleds.

Its time! You need a turbo. The run quality of the 998 is far superior to the viper motor.. Just my opinion of coarse. Don't resist it you will love it!

 

[ROCKERDAN]

I had the chance to ride the Lynx this past weekend as my brother had it all day to ride on Friday. Certainly a nice machine....a wheelie monster for sure being able to lift at any point. For corners, it definitely required more body english to keep the ski's down. We set the rear suspension compression to full soft and it was still a harsher ride than I prefer. I'm sure the thing can soak up really big bumps though. The steering was super light, but I did not like how twitchy the steering was and constantly followed tracks and darted which drove me crazy. Overall would be a fun playful sled if that's what people are looking for.

Darting has alot to do with conditions as we all know. Lynx comes with an aggressive keel ski. They remind me of a C&A alot. Very positive turning sled for sure. We like this type of ski when riding our local very tight trails, to be able to remain too the right on left handed corners, while maintaining speed.

This sled IMO sits perfectly for BRP marketing. Where their RMO skid sleds ride ultra supple, these uncoupled very hi end shocked skids will be for the most aggressive mogul mashers. Also the taller/firmer seat makes it "feel" stiffer by comparison. Side not for transfer, they have a quick strap adjust(relatively quick) design with 4 positions. Brings me back to the old days before coupled skids came along, we always controlled transfer with the strap. A dealer made a quick adjustment for a demo rider who felt it wheelied too much, and got the ski lift to just a tad more then a typical Ras 3 doo. So for many active riders this sled will be one more choice if you are a BRP guy but want more suspension. This may play into the reason BRP has sorta watered down their shocks the last few yrs more then ever.

Dan

 

[SledFreak]

I don't race anybody anymore. There was a time where me and my buds would spend hours racing back and forth on the lakes up in Muskoka and playing with clutching and jetting.
We never cared how a sled rode or handled because all that mattered was how fast it was.
Now I want a great riding handling sled that is rock solid reliable. I like the feel of instant response and hard acceleration and that's why these 4 strokes are so much fun to own. There is just something I really like about the power of a 4 stroke.
No doubt Yamaha and Rotax builds the best 4 stroke engines in the snowmo business.
My stock Winder was not as snappy down low as my 900 turbo but once going pulled much harder from mid to top end.
This new 900tr will be very interesting for sure. I think it will still be very responsive down low corner to corner and if it pulls as hard as my stock Winder from mid to top it will be perfect for what I want in a sled.
For all you guys who want to go 120 MPH I'm sure the Winder is by far the better choice if you want the ultimate speed machine.
I think the future of Yamaha is up in the air right now. Will Cat come out with a new chassis void of all the engineering issues they have now?
I know Cat knows how to build great riding and handling sleds but lack in quality and reliability. The Procross was developed without any input from Yamaha. Will the new chassis be developed with the help of Yamaha? The Procross is now 10 years old and in need of a facelift.

The Procross is NOT 10 years old now. It has evolved endlessly over the last 9 years. It is NOT even close to the same sled. The 4 stroke platform needs some small improvements and its in the game and no problem being on top. (ie. New guage, higher seat, new plastic... etc.. Where they need a new chassis is on the 2 stroke side to get it lighter. They are using the procross to a 1 size fits all and they need to shed 20+lbs off the 2 stroke and bring out the 850 they have sitting there.

 

[ROCKERDAN]

The Cove in Mactier had the Lynx and Mach Z 850 out front today .
I only sat on them, didn't ride them .
In my opinion the seating position difference between the 2 is similar to the SW regular seat and mountain seat difference, but a little bit higher and firmer in both cases.
I should of taken a picture of my SW staring them down in the parking lot !

2 buds of mine will be riding the Lynx at The Cove. Dano already rode one over at Northland but they only allowed the demo to stay on lake, Dano wants to get the Lynx on a typical Muskoka trail for sure.

We feel it will be slower then our XRS setups through our tight trail system when riding ultra hard like we do. You can come in hot, plant the skis with brake, make your turn really good with those skis. However exiting we will have to be light on flipper due to ski lift, will not be able to bar flipper till nose is back to straight. Basically "point and shoot" is what we call it, not unlike many sleds i grew up with.

On the other hand, a sled with this kind of transfer even though slower in twisties, can have a much higher fun factor in whooped out sections. Blipping the nose off moguls at will with ease, the Lynx does this so well.... when you see miles of moguls ahead, you hammer down and the skis just touch the tops of moguls while the skid with KYB 46mm kashima coated shocks with h/l compression and rebound EAT the junk with ease. This uncoupled skid is bottomless and can be rode like a motocross bike through the biggest bumps. This is the type of riding that brings the giggle factor to a rider. So in the end it can be much faster in the trails.

I for one would love to own one for my second sled to use locally. I find it to be far better looking then the g4 yet comes with all that familiar BRP quality and many common items. Same tunnel/frame, same headlight, same glovebox, same dash, same gauge,same bars,same switchgear. Much narrower seat design making it more Matryx like at the knees. Familiar 2s etec engine for those who like them.

All in all, this release caught me by surprise. I think a combo of Pandemic and other factors made this the perfect time for BRP to bring LYNX to North American.

Dan

 

[SideHogger]

The Procross is NOT 10 years old now. It has evolved endlessly over the last 9 years. It is NOT even close to the same sled. The 4 stroke platform needs some small improvements and its in the game and no problem being on top. (ie. New guage, higher seat, new plastic... etc.. Where they need a new chassis is on the 2 stroke side to get it lighter. They are using the procross to a 1 size fits all and they need to shed 20+lbs off the 2 stroke and bring out the 850 they have sitting there.

Let’s just make it a 900 cause that’s why the other brands went 850 to keep up with Cats 800. At least the Suzuki one!!! My 2 cents.

 

[ROCKERDAN]

I don't race anybody anymore. There was a time where me and my buds would spend hours racing back and forth on the lakes up in Muskoka and playing with clutching and jetting.
We never cared how a sled rode or handled because all that mattered was how fast it was.
Now I want a great riding handling sled that is rock solid reliable. I like the feel of instant response and hard acceleration and that's why these 4 strokes are so much fun to own. There is just something I really like about the power of a 4 stroke.
No doubt Yamaha and Rotax builds the best 4 stroke engines in the snowmo business.
My stock Winder was not as snappy down low as my 900 turbo but once going pulled much harder from mid to top end.
This new 900tr will be very interesting for sure. I think it will still be very responsive down low corner to corner and if it pulls as hard as my stock Winder from mid to top it will be perfect for what I want in a sled.
For all you guys who want to go 120 MPH I'm sure the Winder is by far the better choice if you want the ultimate speed machine.
I think the future of Yamaha is up in the air right now. Will Cat come out with a new chassis void of all the engineering issues they have now?
I know Cat knows how to build great riding and handling sleds but lack in quality and reliability. The Procross was developed without any input from Yamaha. Will the new chassis be developed with the help of Yamaha? The Procross is now 10 years old and in need of a facelift.

I agree Joe....

How many yrs did I spend in front of my cottage on my lake shoreline with my stalker radar gun, way before GPS was even invented..lol. Good ole days.

Now we ride big miles, every ride. Be it locally Muskoka on busy, tight/twisty trails that get pounded by afternoon. And now we are heading 2.5 hrs north to Qc to ride their ultra wide open super highway trails alot. We head north to Qc more and more every winter. But we still pound local trails all the time too.

After owner my 850 XRS and feeling 16 when riding it, I have come to the realization I want to own two opposite types of sleds. I still need/crave that huge power for Qc, where you can hold it 70-90mph for HOURS on end up there, and need that hard PULL over 80. So It will be a turbo for Qc and will also have a light flickable 2 smoker for local. Nice part about this will be the total miles I put on the sleds will remain lower as I split my riding. So instead of having to trade every yr or two, I should be able to keep the 2smoker at least 3 and keep the turbo more like 5 or more. And I will then have the best sled for whatever day and condition.

Dan

 

[jonlafon1]

Careful what you wish for ! Shedding weight is great, BUT it can have ill effects to durability.. Pretty sure we have seen this.. First year chassis were refined and gained 20+ pounds the next year? I believe that's why most are just doing refinements and not coming out with "new" chassis as frequent as in years past.. the current pro cross is way different then even 4-5 years ago.. SOME weight loss would be good..